A resubbed (pressed?) Green River coming up on ComicLink...

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 03, 2010 12:00 PM

Sorry, but I think it's a fair question. Oh, and it's the same book. It's currently in a registry set but going up for auction May 4.

Mr. Zipper · **Joined:** Apr 25, 2007 2:21 AM **Posts:** 6033

Gorgeous book. Maybe the old label grading was a bit harsh? :dunno:

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 03, 2010 12:34 PM

Quite possibly. But as a believer in the concept that a potential buyer has a right to any available information about a possible purchase, I present the two scans. Too bad they won't be seen by a wider audience. :-(

highradart · **Joined:** Mar 02, 2010 9:54 PM **Posts:** 851

This is somewhat off topic, but I noticed someone refer to a "9.4" as the poor mans "9.8". Which I don't understand, because a "9.4" to me is a really nice book. I'm not against pressing - I just don't understand re-slabbing.

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 03, 2010 1:34 PM

A 9.4 used to be more of a rarity, but with the relentless pressing of books up up up to 9.6's and 9.8's in some cases, the idea of a 9.4 has been cheapened. Unless of course you can show that it hasn't been pressed .... yet.

Then it becomes potential fodder for ignorant collectors who never got the subtleties of the art form, no matter how much they claim the opposite. To them, it's just a lazy way to make some extra bucks, with no long term view or care for the hobby's health over time.

Sermonette over. For now. :roll:

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 03, 2010 1:38 PM

One realization I have had, is the fact that my concerns lie mainly with Silver Age books. I've wondered about the more casual or lack of concern among Golden Age collectors about pressing and restoration. Finally it hit me ... that GA collectors inevitably must accept a looser definition of restoration or the majority of books they owned would be in purple labeled slabs. In many cases, the restoration process really IS used to CONSERVE the book.

Conservation is much less an issue with SA. Pressing and dis-assembly are most aggressively done for COSMETIC purposes ... and for making a profit by selling the resulting pancake to someone else, often without disclosure. It's not a complicated issue, even if those who practice undisclosed pressing try to make it seem so. It's dishonest and a plague on the hobby.

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 03, 2010 2:06 PM

BTW ... I don't want to say that the owner of this particular book falls into that category of less-sophisticated collector. It could just be a lucky resub in this instance. Unfortunately, as in baseball these days, a jump in grade (or performance on the field) leads one to be wary.

A sign of the times.

Mr. Zipper · **Joined:** Apr 25, 2007 2:21 AM **Posts:** 6033

highradart wrote:

This is somewhat off topic, but I noticed someone refer to a "9.4" as the poor mans "9.8". Which I don't understand, because a "9.4" to me is a really nice book. I'm not against pressing - I just don't understand re-slabbing.

The reality is that there is a tremendous price differential between 9.4 and 9.8, and this is too much profit opportunity for profit for some to pass up. If a $20 press job will net an increase of hundreds of dollars or more, it will be done.

I'm old school enough to still think 9.4 is high grade. Heck, a well-centered VF with nice colors and gloss is high grade to me. :peace:

Mr. Zipper · **Joined:** Apr 25, 2007 2:21 AM **Posts:** 6033

Red Hook wrote:

Sermonette over. For now. :roll:

That lasted all of 4 minutes.

:baiting:

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 03, 2010 3:50 PM

Guilty as charged. :winkgrin:

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 03, 2010 3:52 PM

This is my 9.4 copy of the book ... it is an unlabeled Green River. It's staying a 9.4. I'd say it looks at least as good as the book above ....

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 03, 2010 3:53 PM

Come to think of it ... my 8.5 copy looks pretty good too!

Mr. Zipper · **Joined:** Apr 25, 2007 2:21 AM **Posts:** 6033

Your 9.4 has a slightly better wrap than the others. :righton:

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 03, 2010 3:55 PM

I'm thinking 9.8. Boy, I could use that kind of money ... :angel:

MasterChief · **Posted:** May 04, 2010 1:22 AM

Question for the guy who’s been there, done that, and has the shirt to prove it...

Just how many copies of TTA #75 were included in the original GR manifest, anyway?

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 04, 2010 8:06 AM

Six.

I have a bead on four of them.

I own three of them.

macathro · **Posted:** May 04, 2010 3:08 PM

I'll defer to the Green River expert here but are you sure they are the same book? The 9.4 looks to have a print spot in the box above Subby's head in the price box which the 9.6 does not. There also looks to be a print spot on the top of the "H" in Hulk that the 9.4 does not have. There isn't a way to increase the picture to make sure that they are actually print spots or not.

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 04, 2010 6:52 PM

A better scan of the 9.6 has been posted ... I think those white dots you are looking at are just dust or particles on the scanner bed. Take a CLOSE look at the positioning of the date stamp on all of the scans in this thread and you will see that the dates on the two books in the first post are identical. This here is a better scan of the 9.6 posted at the start of the thread ...

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 04, 2010 7:01 PM

And just to complete the grouping, here is a scan of my raw copy ...

Mr. Zipper · **Joined:** Apr 25, 2007 2:21 AM **Posts:** 6033

This one has the best wrap of the group. Sweet!

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 04, 2010 7:40 PM

It has a dent near the top edge with a small tear, probably a bb pellet. But yeah, it's pretty.

So how's the HIVE treating you? I've never seen anything so silly. :roll:

Mr. Zipper · **Joined:** Apr 25, 2007 2:21 AM **Posts:** 6033

Red Hook wrote:

So how's the HIVE treating you? I've never seen anything so silly. :roll:

It's all great fun. :winkgrin:

macathro · **Posted:** May 04, 2010 8:30 PM

Red Hook wrote:

And just to complete the grouping, here is a scan of my raw copy ...

Wow! That raw copy looks absolutely amazing! Very nice!

The second scan does get rid of whatever that spot was (that was why I was deferring to the expert :hail:

) I see what you mean about the date stamp lining up exactly.

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 05, 2010 6:07 AM

If you paged through my raw copy, you'd swear it had just been purchased off the stands. I'm not exaggerating ... I'm amazed myself at how white and fresh the pages of the GR's are. I think that, and their bright cover colors are their most outstanding characteristic as a group of books.

macathro · **Posted:** May 05, 2010 8:08 AM

Red Hook wrote:

If you paged through my raw copy, you'd swear it had just been purchased off the stands. I'm not exaggerating ... I'm amazed myself at how white and fresh the pages of the GR's are. I think that, and their bright cover colors are their most outstanding characteristic as a group of books.

Well, if you ever want to part with it so I can page through it just let me know! I would sure be interested in it. :takeit:

Mr. Zipper · **Joined:** Apr 25, 2007 2:21 AM **Posts:** 6033

macathro wrote:

Red Hook wrote:

If you paged through my raw copy, you'd swear it had just been purchased off the stands. I'm not exaggerating ... I'm amazed myself at how white and fresh the pages of the GR's are. I think that, and their bright cover colors are their most outstanding characteristic as a group of books.

Well, if you ever want to part with it so I can page through it just let me know! I would sure be interested in it. :takeit:

If I thought there was a chance to pry a copy out of Brad's hands... I would have asked already. :lol:

Red Hook · **Posted:** May 05, 2010 9:08 AM

Not yet, gentlemen, not yet. But I'm not under any illusion that these books stay anywhere for very long.

Red Hook · **Posted:** Nov 06, 2010 3:44 PM

This TTA 75 Green River is back up for sale again in the latest ComicLink auction. Just FYI you'all.

Also up for auction is the infamous Green River Daredevil 11 9.6 which ignited the whole pressing debate over five years ago. It was originally a 9.4 owned by Shin Kao who auctioned it off for charity. It appeared in a Jason Ewert sale subsequently as a 9.6, one of the first clearly identified resubbed and suspected "pressed" highgrade books. Once ID'd the Ebay auction disappeared and the book has since resided in Comiclink's DD CGC registry set. Now it appears ready to meet the public again! Beware of it's curious history!

Here is the looong URL for the DD....
http://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2Fsearch_adv.asp%3Fall%3Dy%26TITLE%3D%26TITLEOPT%3DALL%26ISSUE%3D%26Condition%3D%26ConditionTo%3D%26CensusRank%3D%26Pedigree%3DGREEN%2BRIVER%2BPEDIGREE%26PRICEF%3D%26PRICET%3D%26DESCRIPTION%3D%26DESCRIPTIONOPT%3DALL%26SearchRemarks%3D%26SearchCGC%3D%26EXCLUDE%3D%26CATEGORIES%3D-1%26WCATEGORIES%3D-1%26SORT%3DNEW%26_where_forsale%3Dy%26_where_auctions%3Dy%26x%3D8%26y%3D14%26where_auctions%3Dy%23Item_866171&id=866171

Red Hook wrote:

A better scan of the 9.6 has been posted ... I think those white dots you are looking at are just dust or particles on the scanner bed. Take a CLOSE look at the positioning of the date stamp on all of the scans in this thread and you will see that the dates on the two books in the first post are identical. This here is a better scan of the 9.6 posted at the start of the thread ...

Monkeyman · **Joined:** Apr 25, 2007 2:21 AM **Posts:** 3530

Does this imply that ComicLink is accepting consignments from Jason Ewert, or did we already know this?

Mike

Red Hook · **Posted:** Nov 07, 2010 1:34 PM

It's a possibility. Proceed with caution. :yes:

I thought about bidding on it myself, as a historic curiosity of sorts. But the impulse passed.

Here's a link to the original thread ... which will be 7 SEVEN years old in February!

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=332273&fpart=1

Many of the original image links are gone, but I'll find a couple to repost here.

Some good citizen might alert the folks on the CGC boards of this.

Publications

Informative

Historical

A resubbed (pressed?) Green River coming up on ComicLink...

Who is online