Mike Greenwood wrote:
I'm guessing the thread got the attention of at least 85% of the active users. It's a shame really, that some feel the need to be dishonest to sell a book. For those that are "against" or "anti" CGC I ask you, why do you think we would be better off without them? Are collectors able to detect restoration and/or manipulation better than CGC? If CGC didn't exist, manipulators would be able to expand their techniques to include counterfeit comics among other things. Noty to mention all the information their chatboard has provided for collectors and dealers. If CGC didn't exist there would be much more to complain about in this hobby.
You're letting them off the hook Mike. It's not an "either or" situation. I think it's totally appropriate to push CGC to better their business model, to be more transparent and to have stuck by the accepted rules of the hobby, ie pedigree designation, publicizing grading criteria, etc. I've been doing it for years now. Have never said they should dry up and blow away. Don't oversimplify the debate please.
Collectors, like yourself, who have a ton of dough invested in CGC's product will defend the business model ... very understandably. You collect golden age books, a collecting area where you simply aren't going to find too many examples of those books in untouched highgrade. I think GA collectors are more willing to accept pressed, cleaned and restored books, because the supply simply isn't there. The bar is lower for you guys. You couldn't afford totally pristine untouched high grade golden age books.
But when silver age books get the treatment, that's a different story.
Sure, there has been a lot of info disseminated on the CGC boards. A lot more in the past
than there is now. The really useful information flow has pretty much dried up. The serious collectors who were debating serious ethical issues have pretty much been chased out or left on their own in disgust. It's a shadow of what it once was.
At this point, there is as much if not more disinformation being spread around as there is really useful consumer oriented information. The CGC boards are there for one purpose ... to promote CGC and it's product. It's been very successful in doing that. As for really serving the good of the hobby overall ... I think it's a major fail these days.